Posted in Pick Up Labs Stamp of Approval on March 12th, 2009 by Bravo
A huge problem for guys who are new with the study of the social arts is trying to use a scripted or canned line.
Everyone should be able to use canned material, if for nothing more than just to work on their acting/improv skills. To say something that you really don’t care about and then get other people interested in it, is a GREAT skill to have!
Canned material teaches structure and also allows you to isolate different aspects of your game. You may not think you have an issue in one area, however by using an effective canned opener you can then concentrate on other things like body language, eye contact, and vocal projection, etc..
I had to do something very similar when I was a firearms instructor for years. Students would shoot at a target 7 yards away and completely miss it, not just the silhouette, but all 3 feet of paper. I knew the gun was in proper working order and the sights were straight, so it had to be them pulling the shot. A simple drill I would use to show them this, was to just have them hold the firearm and worry about sight alignment, then I would manipulate the trigger. This way I was removing one of the steps from shooting the gun, so they could concentrate on another, proper sight alignment. I knew that I would move the trigger without disrupting the sight picture, then once they got that aspect down I would then move onto trigger control. By removing one of the variables, it allows you to focus more closely on the other ones.
Just like canned material, as soon as you are able to not rely on it, you can discard it, like training wheels.
But just like many of you, I HATED the thought of spitting out someone else’s shit. If only for the simple fact it made me feel like a hack. It wasn’t until I taught at the Stylelife New York Conference and Bootcamp that I used a canned opener, and it worked, VERY well. So well I have used it since then. So well it is the only canned opener I will still use that I did not invent and developed a routine stack to follow it. Whenever I have to give someone an opener, THIS is the one I default to.
While at the Total Life Makeover Conference, each night at our party in the club we rented out in Hollywood, students were asking me to demo everything from direct game to winging. THIS is the stack I broke down and told them to use, then when they doubted it would work, I turned around and ran it on the first hot set behind me, word for word exactly as I did to the guys seconds before, and they loved it and were hooked.The students mouths were wide open as it worked exactly like I said it would. After seeing it, they all began using it immediately after!
In the below PDF I will show you the way I teach guys to get over that cheesy feeling of using canned material so make sure you read that in the script.
OK enough writing, on to this weeks mission
Test the Five Oceans Opener-
This mission is just testing the opener. Next week I will cover the second part of my stack, and how it begins to naturally transition into a DHV. After that I will cover a way I DHV with perhaps the strongest chick crack out there, that I have only shared with a few of my SLA brothers (and girls that I use it on!)
Tags: 5, Bravo, Five Oceans, Oceans, opener, routine, stack, Testing
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March 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
ps.
Make sure you say HI at the book signing tomorrow if you attend!
-Bravo
March 13th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Bravo,
When you say it’s the ONLY canned opener you used…do you mean the ONLY canned opener that you yourself didn’t create?
I mean, I still used canned openers but I’ve created my own that I use as well…and they work efficiently. I’m not at the level I want to be at…far from it, but I’d like to think that I could always fall back on a favorite opener even when I’ve mastered the game. I’ve used situational openers and created some off the fly but I still have my 2-3 that I like to throw out when I’m on under the gun.
Just looking ahead at the direction I’m aiming for….
March 13th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Yes,
“it is the only canned opener I will still use that I did not invent”
I have my handful of canned routines that I use when needed. It is almost like they are behind a wall of glass and it says “BREAK GLASS IN CASE OF EMERGENCY” LOL
But the majority of the time, I don’t have anything planned, and don’t remember what I even said.
March 13th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
hahaha…good concept!
yup, can’t wait to achieve your level!
March 13th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I’ve used this a general chit chat fluff and found 3 people that knew all 5. I’ve used this maybe a dozen times. Will give it a fair shot again tomorrow night.
March 16th, 2009 at 2:57 am
1. This is by far the most successful opener I’ve ever used. Sets were flying open. 5/5
2. It is a tad long. But its simple enough 4/5
3. No one called me out. 5/5
4. The strength of the opener is when I said ‘this will be the weirdest question you get all night’. Everyone hung on my words after that. It was so much fun. Also everyone is keen to be able to answer it. 5/5
5. Very easy to build rapport as its very non threatening. 4/5
6. I consider myself AFC
7. I tested it 6 times in a bar and once at a bus stop. Every set was successful.
8. I added a time constraint at the beginning as I felt that was missing.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:55 am
1. ALWAYS opens 5/5
2. its extremely easy 5/5
3. Never got called out 5/5
4. The hook strength of this opener is strong because it instantly grabs their attention and can easily lead into other converstations and they always want to know all 5 oceans 5/5
5. Rapport building is medium since its nonthreatening,interesting, and builds into routines easily 3/5
6. 2/5
7. 8 times / 27 people
8. Since ive never gotten anyone get it right i always say “well I’ll give you a chance to redeem yourself” and then stack into another opener/routine
i usually said that a friend and I were having a bet, he bet me that no one can name the five oceans, i could only name 4 and i have to find someone that knows the five oceans
March 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Loving the feedback!
I kind of mentioned it, but this one works SO well! The only reason I don’t use it more is I get bored with it, and want to challenge myself with crazy stuff or whatever is on my mind.
March 16th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Writing up my results while waiting for my flight out of LA, so only a few minutes. Will share details instead of numbers if i run out of time.
Out with The Sneak and Voodoo just chilling. Finally I remember “Crap, I havnt tested this week yet….ok, going into that set”
Four cute asian girls. Deliver the opener, discussion starts, and then I sit down and join the group as it becomes apparent it will be a long discussion.
They try to think, then decide there are only four. One of them points to a friend and says “She is a teacher, so she would know”
haha…I am googling it on my phone, and pull up a page saying what all the oceans are. And they dont believe me. The teacher actually tells me “ok, anybody can put up a webpage saying something” and insisting that she is right.
At this point we have been talking for a while, and Voodoo comes over with wingman code, at which point I actually eject with him. He asked me why I ejected, that it seemed like I really had them hooked.
I told him that it was going fine, but im just not as attracted to asians (Bravo, if you had come out with us, I would have offered them up as an offering to you
)
But after I describe this to Voodoo, he wants to go back and argue with them for the sake of making them realize they are wrong.
When we come back, there were some other guys sitting there and the girls tell us “See, you are wrong, we asked them, and they all said there were only 4 too.” At that point I just asked the teacher to please study harder before teaching impressionable minds.
1. 5/5
2/ 5/5
3. 5/5
4. 5/5
5. 3/5
6. 3/5
7. once
8. some good comebacks if you do this to teachers would be great to have beforehand, and also where your credible source is if they insist up and down about it.
But yeah, loved this
-Farmer
March 16th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
more info on 5th ocean LOL
http://geography.about.com/od/learnabouttheearth/a/fifthocean.htm
and because of the fact that some people dont know this, and some will argue with you about it (esp. teachers who are wrong LOL) the 2nd step of this stack was created
March 16th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
1.
Does it open successfully? yep 5/5
2.
How difficult is this routine to master? nah 4/5
3.
Did you get called out on using this routine? one chick in a 5set asked me if i planned the whole thing out and i said “yes i planned to ask you guys cuz it’s bugging me…kind’ve like when you’re listening to a song and….” so by keeping my frame and plowing forward, i managed to shrug her off and she actually participated. Another girl in a 2set asked me “is this going to be a lame pickup line?” when i said “this may be the weirdest question you get asked all night but i need some help” i responded by saying “yes, the lamest you’ve ever heard” and stacked forward with the routine. She then realized that i genuinly just wanted some help and participated.
So I guess a couple of close calls but by keeping my frame I managed to get the results I was looking for. 4/5
4.
What is the hook point strength of this routine? Very strong 5/5
5.
Rapport building strength? 4/5 They seem to really get invested in the conversation
6.
Your PUA-AFC level? 3/5
7.
Number of times tested? 10x from a 1set to a few 2sets, 3sets, and a couple 5sets.
8.
Any additional insight? What did you transition to after this? I just stacked forward with “how do you all know eachother?” and teased and just had fun. It’s such a solid routine that my wings said I hooked so strongly they didn’t feel like they needed to come in. It didn’t help I was being a ’set whore’ but it was alot of fun. Good stuff!
March 16th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
So I was chatting w/ Bravo on facebook the other day, and I told him that I had been testing along w/ everyone else, but never got around to posting, he told me of course that I gotta get on here and make sure I post…so here it goes.
1. Does it open successfully? 5/5 – almost too easily
2. How difficult is this routine to master? 5/5 for ease, the nice thing about it is while it is canned, you can really practice different ways of presenting it.
3.Did you get called out on using this routine? nope
4.What is the hook point strength of this routine?
5.Rapport building strength? I would say it builds a decent amount of rapport since it does definitely get everyone involved.
6.Your PUA-AFC level? 2/5 AFC/PUA
7.Number of times tested? 4 2 mixed 4 sets, 2 2 sets
8.Any additional insight? What did you transition to after this?
On one of the two sets I mixed this with last weeks chair opener, and I think it projected a bit more confidence instead of just having some wierd question.
March 17th, 2009 at 5:04 am
I would like Juggler’s SOIs tested (and therefore, likely, taken out of the community).
However I don’t think that is possible, although I could force it with a stack, that would never be accepted as a fair test of a conversational method.
However a few days last week I was using Juggler’s: ‘friend is flrting with X girls over there, so I’ve come to chat with you’.
(this may not in fact be the exact line of J.’s, but that could be found).
anyway results were quite dire, women leaving venues upon hearing it, greif either on the opener (women trying to instantly repell me, or just telling me how shit everything I do is).
It’s quite bad, IME.
And it bugs me that people get to give out crap advice and make hay stacks of cash.
So I’d like this opener tested.
Of course it could be that I’m just an ugly son-of-a-bitch.
I think to properly gauge it, I would have to provide some J. follow up OEQs/convo. Because disdain may not be immediate, but directed at what follows the opener.
But maybe CA should be asked to provide that?
March 17th, 2009 at 5:59 am
1.Does it open successfully?
Very much so. 5/5 out of success.
2.How difficult is this routine to master?
If you can remember 5 ocean names and the rest of the script, really easy. 5/5
3.Did you get called out on using this routine?
Not even questioned about it. 5/5 for not getting called out.
4.What is the hook point strength of this routine?
No one wants to feel dumb. Most of the sets took the bait. 4/5 for strength.
5.Rapport building strength?
Pretty big. 4/5
6.Your PUA-AFC level?
3.5/5
7.Number of times tested?
4 times.
8.Any additional insight? What did you transition to after this?
As soon as I got done running this one, it gave me the idea to go into, “What is the WORST possible song you have had stuck in your head. Some one said, BARBIE GIRL.” It made the night fun.
March 17th, 2009 at 8:52 am
LMAO at Barbie Girl!
A cosplay chick I hung out with a bit and railed, her favorite group was Aqua. I know that song too well…
March 17th, 2009 at 10:39 am
This is awesome, when I made this stack, it has always followed the way I wanted it to, so never came up with a different topic to transition to.
But hearing what you guys did, already has me thinking of taking this a different route with songs, which is mentioned in the opener.
Very cool!
March 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
lol drewder i used that opener too oddly enough we ended up thinking off all these catchy songs that gets stuck in peoples heads to easily, we decided it was “build me up Buttercup”
March 29th, 2010 at 9:49 am
This is a great opener. Me and my buddy, big_poppa (the winner of the Bravo pose challenge) used this at the mall the other night. When i first read the opener on here, i thought it looked intriguing, and i was pleasantly surprised to see how much it engaged the three-set we opened with it on line at Arby’s. something that also worked well was when big_poppa pretened to look up the answer on his phone, then “showed” it to me, and we didn’t tell the girls what it was. they practically begged us for it before we let them in on the secret. an excellent opener