Posted in Pick Up Labs Stamp of Approval on December 31st, 2008 by Bravo
I am putting this one up a day early so you can test on New Year’s Eve tonight as well as this weekend.
This is the first Mission that is not from the Stylelife archive or from the VH1 show. When I was planning which mission should hold this honor, this came to the top of the list.
The Apocalypse Opener
by, Ciaran/Jekyll on the RSDnation forum
Just thinking about the Pick Up Lab testers trying this out in field puts a grin on my face!
Your mission-
This is a big PDF because I put the original routine with all wording inside.
This is a great way to kick off 2009. If you are man enough to test this, you can test anything! And if it works like claimed you also won’t wake up alone for the first morning of the year.
I mention at the end of this mission how you can start suggesting missions for us to test, so don’t miss it.
See you next year!
-If any of my data or citations are not accurate please contact me
Tags: Apocalypse Opener, Ciaran, Jekyll, RSD
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December 31st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Jesus will not help you on this one SlickTrick
Only your baby maker will!
December 31st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Jesus Fucking Christ.
December 31st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
i knew it was gonna be this one. i read about it a while back but i’ve never had the guts to try it out yet. sounds like fun though.
December 31st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Oh man. This one is going to be brutal.
I AM going out with a girl that tells me I need to start trying shit like this anyway.
I’m already sweating just thinking about this.
December 31st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
VikingWarlord (Awesome name),
If you test this out and have a girl with you just be sure to mention it in your write up since it could change the way the material works out for you.
Evolve
December 31st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Holy *crap*. I think tonight’s going to be one interesting night!
December 31st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
This is going to definatly be fuun. I’ve done something similar to this before but there were no lines. I was really new to “going all the way”. I saw the girl at a party (I found it was her party, her house,) on a saturday night. We looked at one another for a moment. I brought out a condom so she could see it. A few seconds later she was telling people that the night was over and drive home carefully and we went to her bedroom. The first time this ever happened to me. I was 17 and she was 23. I never found out her name. It’s been about 5 years since that happened, but it was the shit and did wonders for my confidence! I know if I could do it back then, The Apocolypse Opener should work now. I hope to get my results in for this challange soon. Good luck to the rest of you out there and have a very Happy New Year!!! —Joe Fresh
December 31st, 2008 at 6:54 pm
The list:
Dental Insurance= cancelled
Health Insurance= cancelled
Life Insurance= I’m 28, someone else can pay that when I’m dead. . .
The A-O Opener= coming with me. . .
It’s time to show’em if ya gott’em. . . I will try to get VID on this one again. . .
January 1st, 2009 at 5:11 am
Ahhh quality! Would have loved to tried it last nite on new years eve but it wasnt up early enough for us UK people! I checked the site before I left the house at 7pm but with no luck
dam u bravo! Cant wait to try this out tho! Bring on the weekend!
January 1st, 2009 at 5:33 am
Holy living shitballs that is hardcore.
January 1st, 2009 at 9:19 am
Does this work in the daytime?
January 1st, 2009 at 10:52 am
You tell me Sebastian
January 1st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I’m gonna say no, and that you may get arrested for trying, like soliciting for prostitutes. Is that a ‘limiting belief’?
January 1st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Well then, For the GLORY of having a pair, I will test this out for you SEBASTIAN during the day. It has been a long time since I have had an issue with the cops. . . I probably don’t know anyone down at the station anymore. . . j/k
January 1st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
holly shit! nice..I have a man for this job…my friend is trying direct openers but his..last weekend he told some girl that she has nice big boobs, i thought he is going to get smacked, but she sad tnx and yours aren’t bad too.haha ..so this is for him no big deal
January 1st, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Didnt use this per se, but tried something true to spirit last night out of necessity. Only posting to help test.
Number closed a girl at the end of the night and she was telling me that we had to meet up the next day before I left town. She was actually suggesting what we could do, so I didnt feel a need to seed anything.
At this point I see my wing (who’s house I was staying at) with a girl, and get in a cab with her.
Crap…I now have no place to stay.
The girl I was talking to was staying in a hotel room with 5 friends. Told her that apparently I was going to have to get a hotel room that night as well since I had no place to stay, and we got in a cab together
Told her “You should just stay in my room with me tonight.” I assumed this was true to the spirit of the apocalypse since I didnt have a place to bring her back to, only not used as an opener.
And very quickly it went from solid number close with an impending day 2 to just weirdness and a feeling that I ruined things by trying to push things too far at that point.
So I can say if this works, do it as an opener, not later on. Or maybe a more accomplished social artist could have made it work.
If i go out tonight will try it as an opener, if not, well this is all I can give you.
January 1st, 2009 at 3:56 pm
This one takes a will of steel to make it out in one piece. Went to a NYE party with my friend, but since I was staying at her house that night, the concept of asking a girl back to my place seemed counterintuitive. Never got a chance to try it out, but I just might some other night.
Weird thing is she kept egging me on to try to use it on someone. I was too worried about other things to even think about it, especially some guy who wanted to get in my friend’s pants, and tried to use his girl to distract me.
January 1st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Bravo, this one is gold….tried it 5 times throughout the night….all 5 said they would….Choose the one who looked like more of a freak to bring home and it made for an awesome night….going to keep this one to use a lot more….
January 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Damn! I wish I had this last night, sounds awesome. I did do something similar a few nights ago where I was talking to a girl that I wasnt attracted to, and told her, “you have no idea how hard I’d fuck you”.
Her BT went up, and she asked if that was my pick up line, then I told her “hey, everyone likes to fuck, these guys here like to fuck, my friends like to fuck, I like to fuck, and i know you like to fuck, its no big deal.. People are just to afraid to admit it but its in everyones heads here, im being honest here”.
A few things that were the same as this opener was that it was done non chalant and away from her friends.
Eventually I got her number and f-closed that later in the night. She wasnt super hot or ugly, but it did work.
So therefore I am definately trying this today!
January 1st, 2009 at 10:04 pm
To all!
I find your lack of balls disturbing
January 1st, 2009 at 11:03 pm
So this was not up when i left the house but I tried it out today after work after heading to a normal hangout i frequent…Oh…My…God…That moment where she is just judging you is like fucking rusty razor blades laced with lemon juice! But…This shit worked…After the moment of dread was over and i was just straight faced she said sure, we bullshitted for a few minutes, then made out. I leave it at that for post purposes but wow…WOW…
January 1st, 2009 at 11:10 pm
So for my rating since i did not include it last time
1.Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 1:1
2.Does it open successfully? Absolutely!
3.Do you get a kiss almost instantly? Took about 5 minutes for her to give me the last congruency tests. I did not get kissed instantly.
4.How difficult is this routine to master? 5/5 To have the right frame 1/5 To say the right thing 5/5 to be consistent while using this technique.
5.What level of comfort must be built before you can test? 0, This IS your opener.
6.Did you get called out on using this routine? Not at all.
7.What is the hook point strength of this routine? 5/5 if your in, your in.
8.Rapport building strength? 4/5 Only because I did still chit chat after the line so i feel that the little chit chat before make out + counts for something.
9.Your PUA-AFC level? Recovering AFC, I am almost over my anxiety completely and can normally open most sets and mesh with them. I have issues sometimes with escalation but i still consistently number close my target.
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
I tried this opener/close when i had only amonth’s experience with SLA. It locked well, despite my weaker frame at the time. It did not result in a positive close because the woman’s friends pulled her out before she made her assessment.
The dialog was this:
Me: Hi!
HB: Hi!
Me: What you doing later?
HB: I am hanging out and then going TO MY HOME.
Me: How about taking me with you? (my frame was not solid, but this was as much as I could muster.)
HB: Wow…that’s strong…(she stood there assessing me for what felt like 5 minutes but may have been only 30 seconds. It felt like she was about to say “Yes” but her friends grabbed her and pulled her back into their group.)
I won’t be participating in this week’s challenge because I know the strength and it results farther than I want to go. The reason I tried it before was that I somehow had the thought that if I would just take a woman to bed, I would advance much faster. I have since come to peace with myself and know what I want and where i am going.
January 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 am
Screw it! I am doing it tonight. I still won’t have sex, but I can make her night without sex.
January 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
The first five times trying this yesterday I did it mostly in day game, I didn’t pause or carry on normal conversation afterwards. Most thought I was kidding or doing a dare, but I did feel thier buying temperature go up.
The next four were ALOT better though
6 blowfish girl – really flirty fun interaction, her BT was through the roof. We had normal conversation after, yet when she talked about the initial opener and had her BT up I pushed for the number quick, I think i should have made it seem casual and just talk normal talk for a while. Definately Engaged.
7 – The hottest girl, this was in more nightgame as it was in a bar. She definately appreciated alot, she probably gets hit on alot. She was definately diggin, again I tried to push too hard cause my BT went up too, haha. my energy and vibe coulda been better. She was definately engaged.
8 – other girl workin at straights, busy, and just said “no”. I realize I need a more powerful presence. When they are busy its alot tougher to have normal conversation and do this opener to its completeness.
9 – Again thought I was joking, but had a long interaction, ended up bouncing and mini date. deep connection stuff, then went really direct it just came off my head, I would pound you so hard.. blah blah blah. She was interested big time, but my BT being up made me want to f-close tonight or not at all, she didn’t want to tonight so I bounced.
Few things Im going to try to do to make it better:
more powerful presence
be aware of logistics so I can do it to its completeness
Be more casual about it, dont let my own BT mess it up
Come in with a different energy more calm, relaxed and sexual versus serious/sexual
Try mostly nightgame and see how that is in comparison.
I realize it probably would work better on new years eve, considering everyones BT is up.
Im going to work on tweaking it again tonight and I’ll let you guys know how it goes.
January 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
To Bravo,
I find YOUR lack of FAITH disturbing. Since I’m flat broke, it’s gonna be day game for me. Stay tuned.
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:13 am
Someone with the name of SPARTAN should have no fear!!!
Also many bars and night spots you should be able to go to without paying.
For months I hit the same places and would only drink water when learning the ropes.
January 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 am
I tired it 3 times last night. The first time was with a two set. The girls just laughed and looked at me like I was crazy then got up and left. I tried it with a 5 set of girls but they just looked at me like I was crazy and ran off. I got better though. I tried it with another two set. One girl got offended but the other just looked at me, smiled and asked if I was kidding. Eventually, they walked off.
January 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
Spartan & Bravo. . .
Times are hard. People understand that. Use your knowledge of the GAME and get you where you want. We went to a VERY PLUSH bar lastnight where cover was $20 to get it, but since they were closing in an hour they said they would charge us $10. I negotiated and said, how about $10 for ALL 4 of us. They thought about it for a minute and then let us in.
Also, Bravo says he drank water. I have 2 suggestions that are just as good; SPRITE w/slice of lemon & slice of lime and Sprite w/slice of lemon and slice of lime WITH cranberry. This makes it look like you are drinking and having a good time, yet you tell the bartenders you are the DD. Always works for me.
Not done with this opener yet, but I gotta say:
STL has BALLS. . . I went out with 3 different guys and we each field tested it twice. One guy even used it on a 2 set to see if he could get them BOTH back home. I took video, but it is too dark to see and too damn loud to hear. The only thing you can hear is me every once in a while saying, DUDE he is running the A/O . . . We will do it again tonight in a different part of STL. . . Everyone is going to post their field reports tomorrow. . .
January 3rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I’m glad some of you tried this. YOu’ve got balls. If anything, this is an exercise in removing any kind of sex guilt at all.
January 3rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Wildcat,
you got balls of steel doing this in set with more girls! God damn! Nuclear son.
i would think it would work better with a single HB though..
I’m still an AFC, so I’m not touching this WMD – yet
January 3rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Going to try this more, but at least I got to give it a shot once when I went out last night. What really helped me get over some AA was coming up with a solid fall-back plan.
I went out with a buddy and told him about the Apoc opener, and he just shook his head, not believeing I’d do it. I gave him the only $10 I had left and said, “if I actually pull this off, give this back.”
I went up to a lone HB and just spat it out:
“Hi”
“…hi”
“how are you?”
“…alright?”
“doing anything later?”
“umm…no…why?”
“want to come home with me?” pause, with just a slight smirk on my face.
“ummm….no[?]”
then the backup plan….
“I never said you could, but I have to thank you for helping me prove a point to my buddy.”
I immediately went on…
“See, my friend actually has a fear of rejection, so he doesn’t talk to girls as often as he could. I told him the best way to get over rejection is to have fun getting rejected. So, I proved it by just asking you something that you’d more than likely say no to…”
No, nothing else but a conversation came out of it, but she really respected my courage.
Still, I almost felt like I got lucky on this one, so I’m gonna give it another shot.
January 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Think this one is going to need more testing!
Many guys are sugar coating it, or tweaking it, to make it easier…
January 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I could see this as a great retail/waitress opener. Go in an hour before end of shift, sit at the right table, and bam! Maybe…
As a pure AFC with mere scraps of training under my belt, still curious to try it out. I wonder if, rather than a fast route to sex, this could be a fast route to getting over AA?
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
1.Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 0:3
2.Does it open successfully? Deffanatly
3.Do you get a kiss almost instantly? No. Twice I was told she lived in another city and was leaving in the early morning but still carried on conversation. The thrid made plans when we can be alone and not around alot of people
4.How difficult is this routine to master?
5/5 To have the right frame
1/5 To say the right thing
3/5 to be consistent while using this technique.
5.What level of comfort must be built before you can test? Inner comfort that I have the balls to try it
6.Did you get called out on using this routine? Nope
7.What is the hook point strength of this routine? It’s an all or nothing
8.Rapport building strength?
3/5 It shows you have balls. You can stack and move on to a new thread if she dosent either jump you or laugh and walk away
9.Your PUA-AFC level? There is always room to improve. I just keep on trying new things, pushing the limits (this one is great for that) and improving where I can.
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm
1. Ratio 2:2
2. Does it open? It opens, closes, and smacks it out of the park … I’m going with a big yes here.
3. Did it get a kiss? 2 from 2
4. How hard is it to master? If you can play poker and keep a poker face then you can do this. Honestly I was flipping out on the inside but held my shit together on the outside so we were all good.
5. How much comfort must you build? None. This is your opener closer and everything in between.
6. Did you get called out? No
7. Whats the hook strength? Its like using a whale harpoon to snare a catfish … its ridiculous.
8. Rapport building strength. Good – very good if you can hold your frame its pretty well done.
9. rAFC-Beginner
January 3rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
After reading bravo’s post a few above I feel I need to clarify with my rating too. I did NOT sugar coat it at all and got the instant make out both times.
On the first attempt she was dancing with some friends a few metres away from my group. We made eye contact, I held it, I sent out the wink, she sent back the smile. It was on. Went over. Dropped the opener line for line and got the make out.
The second time was cold and there was nothing, straight up dropped the line got the make out, no eye contact, nothing. Just dropped a bomb on it like it was Hiroshima.
January 4th, 2009 at 12:29 am
HAHAHAHA!!
OMG! This will result in an epic fail 99% of the time I can pretty much guarantee it.
This is a line that requires drunk girls to work at all. Because if they were sober they would either 1) Laugh at you upon hearing you ask them to come home with you tonight (Alpha Males don’t “ask” girls to come with them) 2) Ask you wear you live and make an excuse not to go to your place due to the distance or because they claim they are going somewhere later with their friends.
Any girl that falls for this line is at best a fool’s mate and at worst a girl with a drinking problem.
January 4th, 2009 at 4:29 am
1. Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on?
1 sets – 0:6
2 sets – 0:1
2. Does it open successfully? Pretty much every girl I asked said no, but after saying “ok” I found it easy to just have a normal conversation, with the girls being quite receptive. I only tried it once with a 2-set and asked about a threesome. One of them looked quite disturbed by it, and just carried on playing with her phone but the other was more friendly and I could continue the conversation with her. I didn’t stay for long tho, coz her friend wasn’t interested one bit and told me they both had boyfriends so I felt the set was lost. The single sets went much much better for me and I would personally say its better to do it this way. But considering I only opened one 2-set with it, it is hard to compare.
In summary I definately felt that this opened well in single sets as it certainly sets you apart from the rest. I would say you need a good frame to pull it off, but then don’t you just need a good frame in general with whatever your using?
3. Do you get a kiss almost instantly? I got 1 kiss instantly n ended up spending the majority of my night with her. In the majority of cases however I cant see it happening. Considering that most girls say “no” after using the opener, if you were to kiss them straight away then that would be a bit weird wouldnt it? I opened most girls in the quiet area of the club. The girl I got the kiss from was on the dance floor in the loud area. My head was really close to hers so she could hear the opener. I didnt hear her reply to the opener but from the look in her eyes it felt like she wanted to be kissed so I went for it and it worked
So it’s definately possible to get an instant kiss.
4. How difficult is this routine to master? Its not hard to master at all. All you need is the balls to actually say the words. If you’ve got your inner game sorted then this is a piece of cake. Im working on mine, and I’ve managed to gain a good bit of confidence so I felt I pulled this off fairly well. I would like to video tape myself doing this approach as I think it would be interesting to see how I actually pull it off. After filming my lint opener and watching it I realised soo much wrong, when at the time I thought it went well. Also I’ve never tried doing a direct opener before, but now after testing this out, I think it may actually be better for me! I actually really like this opener and feel like I should actually try to master it, which doesn’t seem very difficult to do at all. So if you’ve got the confidence I’d give it a rating of 1/5 to master. All you really need is to be interesting so you have other stuff to talk about for when she replys “no” to the opener.
5. What level of comfort must be built before you can test? None at all. This is an opener
6. Did you get called out on using this routine? Funny thing is I actually did. I opened my mates sister who ive never met before with it. I knew it was his sister coz he pointed her out to me, all the banter started, then he told me to try it on her for a laugh even tho she has a boyfriend. Needless to say it blew up in my face! About 10 minutes later I opened another girl with it. Turned out to be my mates sisters friend! She just thought I was a weirdo going around asking random girls if they wanted to come home with me! haha.
7. What is the hook point strength of this routine? Its really forward and shows you have super high confidence to be doing something like that. It just seems so natural to begin with by saying “hi how you doing” then everything changes unexpectedly! I quite like it! Then you can just talk away and I found girls are more likely to stick around to find out whats next than if you were to ask them something else such as “who lies more”. The only problem with this opener is that it can’t really be used in groups, which was mentioned in the mission.
8. Rapport building strength? I wouldn’t say it builds any rapport. It just something that seems to take the woman completely off guard which is good!
9.Your PUA-AFC level? Im alright. I do alot better than most average guys but still have plenty to improve upon. From doing stylelife test I’m way in the top 90% but I would personally rate myself about a 5/10 compared to MPUA’s
January 4th, 2009 at 6:06 am
I will be trying this out. Rather I must try this out.
A friend of mind tells me of a friend his that would go out and walk up to every women saying “Hey want to fuck?” He told him to knock it of as he is imberassing him. The friend took no notice of it and continued to ask women to fuck and sure enough he would leave the bar every night with a women.
I am working on a routine with my lesbian wing that is as direct that involes me taking off my pants annoucing to the party “This orgy is off to a slow start” which I will be testing further, it has had a ton of success for her and moderate success for myself.
Can’t wait to be on days off and test the Apocalypse
January 4th, 2009 at 7:24 am
1. Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 0 out of 3
2. Does it open successfully? Well, sort of. 2 out of 3. The other set ignored me.
3. Do you get a kiss almost instantly? No
4. How difficult is this routine to master? Easy for me. I like to be direct. Indirect game is much tougher.
5. What level of comfort must be built before you can test? 0. Just walk right up and go for it.
6. Did you get called out on using this routine? No
7. What is the hook point strength of this routine? 0 for me. None of the sets actually hooked.
8. Rapport building strength? Zero
9. Your PUA-AFC level? very AFC
January 4th, 2009 at 8:37 am
I decide that part of making The Apocalypse Opener work is having a seclusion area were you can take things to a full close without too far of a drive. The closet bar to my house is roughly 15 minutes away with the next one being 30 minutes away. The closer bar is tougher to work and has fewer quality targets, but I know that a lot of things can change with a 30 minute drive. So, I choose to hit up the closer of the two.
The closer of the two is a seeded biker bar where it is not wise to peacock too hard…..although I have rocked my faux hawk in there before. The night progresses and the hottest chick in the bar is one of the bartenders.
I do not do a whole lot of socializing besides small chit chat here and there. I wait for the bar to slow down, so that isolating the bartender will be easier. And then……
ME: Do you have a second? (As I point to the end of the bar where I will not have to talk over the bar and can actually use kino.)
HER: Sure. (I get up and she follows me to the end of the bar.)
ME: Do you like to be hit on directly or indirectly.
HER: Directly
ME: What are you doing later?
HER: Going home and going to bed. I have only had two hours of sleep.
ME: Well you should go home with me.
Probably a 3 second pause…..
HER: I actually would, but I am way too tired and would probably just pass out. Plus I do not even know you.
ME: Well, tell me three interesting things about you?
HER: I have tattoos where no one can see them and you would not even believe where they are, I love to read…..and something else. (My mind wondered a bit with the whole tattoo thing.)
ME: Cool, you seem very interesting. I tell you what; I will let you know three interesting things about myself. I also love to read, love to play Frisbee and love to cook. So, who is your favorite author?
HER: Stephen King
ME: Cool, he is one of my favorites as well. I just finished the Dark Tower Series last year. So, you are coming home with me right.
HER: Really I would love to, but I can’t. I will make it up to you. Let me give you my number.
ME: I fucking hate numbers. They are a waste of time. You might pick up when I call you; you might show up to the date, they are just a waste of time.
HER: I am going to give you my number and I will pick up and show up.
ME: You owe me and do not bullshit me.
HER: I will go write it down for you.
She goes to the cash register. I go back to my seat at the bar. She writes her number on a napkin and hands it to me. I rip it in half, keep the half with her number on it, then write my name and number on the other half and hand it to her.
ME: Here is my name and number, so you will have zero excuses as why not to pick up.
At this point, I can actually hear several guys say, “Did she just give her number to him.” The bar all looks like they are in shock. I have talked with this girl for less than two minutes and she is handing me her number.
So, my question is…….Since the first interaction was so sexual direct…..What type of Day 2 do I set up?
Side note: I used the Apocalypse Opener slightly different than original written. My back up plan for if she said indirect was to say the exact same thing. If she said something as to that was not very indirect. I would have stated that I usually do not ask what you are doing later and just get to the point.
Did not have time to test it more than that is weekend, but will be testing more in the near future. I think tone, body lanuage, and the sexual vibe you are putting off are all very important.
January 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 0:1
Does it open successfully? Definitely (1 on 1:5 scale with 1 being very good)
Do you get a kiss almost instantly? No 5
How difficult is this routine to master? Not hard at all, 2
What level of comfort must be built before you can test? 4, very little, I’ve read the game and the Stylelife challenge (haven’t completed it – whoops)
Did you get called out on using this routine? Nope, 1
What is the hook point strength of this routine? The shock and awe definitely made her lean backward for a second, 1
Rapport building strength? 2, Candid and forward
Your PUA-AFC level? very AFC
I didn’t hear about this until after New Year’s. Definitely sounds like something that would have been fun to test then. So I tried it in broad daylight on the cute cute girl behind the counter at the gym on a Sunday (HB7 or 8).
Dialogue:
AFC: Hey
HB: Hey
AFC: How are you?
HB: Good, good
AFC: Cool. How would you feel about coming back home with me tonight?
HB leans backward, cracks a darling smile as I look at her – not changing my expression.
HB: Um… maybe.
AFC: Well how about your name then?
HB: Kim.
AFC: Well, it’s nice to meet you, Kim. Do you live around here?
*blah blah blah – talk about where she’s living, who she’s living with (parents – she may be younger than I thought), and finally the weather*
AFC: Well you should at least let me take you out to dinner sometime (AFC mistake, I’m guessing).
HB: Um… maybe.
AFC: Well, I’ll see you around.
HB: It was nice to meet you.
Suggestions on what to say the next time I see her working at the gym?
January 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
My boss once told me
If you ask 10 girls to sleep with you and get slapped 9 times but sleep with the 10th it was worth the 9 slaps
I feel this “opener” used by most AFC’s from alot of the readings exemplify this greatly. However, I’m sure once you truly know how to pull it off, with practice like all good things, the success rate will increase.
January 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
1. Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 0 out of 2
2. Does it open successfully? Yeah, strange as it feels staying in, it sure as hell gets there attention
3. Do you get a kiss almost instantly? No
4. How difficult is this routine to master? Compared to other routines effortless.
5. What level of comfort must be built before you can test? Other then making sure your balls of steel don’t clank on approach… none
6. Did you get called out on using this routine? No, in fact the first girl I opened loved it, she thought it was very original (to my suprise).
7. What is the hook point strength of this routine? Both of my approaches where to 10’s, and highered guns, but they hooked… it was myself who bailed.
8. Rapport building strength? Post fuck maybe
9. Your PUA-AFC level? lvl 8 afc
January 5th, 2009 at 5:25 am
i only tried it once and it worked but i’m sick and dead right now and i’m going back to bed so i’ll post it later.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I don’t write on these forums much, but I was privileged to join Drewder on a pickup labs-related project: testing the apocalypse opener.
The night was like a sandpaper handjob. I can’t really call it a field report. There should be an acronym for sandpaper-handjob report. SPHJR. I never got
“in state,” and I only made 2 approaches.
Met Drewder, ManofParty, and Skoot (?) downtown. All three of them are very cool guys. Their experiences are reported elsewhere, I won’t repeat them.
I’ve never been to the downtown scene before, and it’s very elite, consisting of medium/high energy clubs and extremely good-looking girls.
FIRST APPROACH:
Caught girl on her way out of a club.
TS: “Hey, quick question. [Pause.] Would you like to go home with me?”
Girl: “No, I’m going to [a different club].”
Girl walks away. End of set, LOL.
SECOND APPROACH:
Approached a 3-set outside of a club. An 8, a 9 and a 10. All older than me.
TS: “Hey guys, quick question…”
HB9: “No. Go away.”
TS: “Oh, you have a booger.” [Intended to disqualify and derail the blowout. Didn't work.]
HB9: “Go away.”
TS: “Okay, I actually do have to get back to my friends, but…”
HB9: “Go away.”
TS: “You know what? You’re really tough. That’s kind of cool.”
HB9: “Go away…buzz off. What do I need to say?”
TS: “Wow.”
At this point I walked a few feet away and chatted with Skoot for a few seconds. The 3-set was still standing there. I re-approached in the interest of humor rather than to pick anyone up.
TS (to the HB9): “Hey, would you like to go home with me?”
HB9: “Um, no. Go back to your friend.”
HB10 (in a very sarcastic tone): “You know, you’re really good at picking up the signals. She was totally communicating that she wanted to go home with you.
TS: thanks! Yeah, I really pick up on the subtle things. I don’t know why I got shot down. Actually, she can’t come home with me because…
HB10 cuts me off: Is your idea of foreplay taking off 5 shirts?
(I was wearing 5 shirts because I was cold as fuck.)
TS: That was kind of clever. Good for you. She’s (HB9) more straightforward.
HB10: [something unpleasant, which I didn't catch]…oh, and your boots.
TS: I’m glad you like them!
HB10: No. I don’t.
TS (to HB8, who hadn’t spoken yet): You know, I bet this is really the most awkward for you. I’m making your friends act really mean and you’re caught in the middle of it.
HB8: Um, yeah.
HB9: Go away.
I went away.
In short, this was a shitty test of the apocalypse opener, because in neither case was the opener itself conclusively responsible for the blowout. The first set was a moving set, the second set IOD’d me before I even threw out the opener. I was not operating at the top of my “nonverbal game” by any means, either.
Testing the Apocalypse Opener:
1. Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on?
Zero. On a scale of 1-5, I guess that’s a 1.
2. Does it open successfully?
No. 1.
3. Do you get a kiss almost instantly?
No. 1.
4. How difficult is this routine to master?
I’m going to say 3.
Actually, I think it is a little more difficult than it sounds. With opinion openers, you buy yourself time to demonstrate your good qualities–you can deliver an opinion opener poorly and still start a conversation. The apocalypse opener demands the woman make a decision right away whether or not to blow you out. Therefore, your delivery needs to be perfect if you want it to work.
That said, I have yet to see it work for anyone, and perhaps it’s just not any good. On a logical level, it flies in the face of community theory…girls aren’t allowed to take responsibility for sex, and are obligated to shoot you down.
5. What level of comfort must be built before you can test?
No comfort necessary. 1.
6. Did you get called out on using this routine?
No! That is something it has going for it–there’s no insincerity, no hint of premeditation. You could use it over and over and over again without getting “called out,” because it’s just so straightforward. Not that you would necessarily want to use it at all, though…
I will say, 5. No risk of getting called out.
7. What is the hook point strength of this routine?
Hm. I’d say it’s pretty weak. In my sets, of course, it didn’t hook anyone. I would assume that it’s generally pretty weak, because it doesn’t lead up to anything. In fact, it kind of discourages anything else. You’re implicitly saying that there’s no need for further “qualification,” because you’re already willing to have sex with her. You can’t possibly throw out a convincing disqualifier after it. The set would have to be very accommodating to be “hooked” by this opener.
I give it a 2.
8. Rapport building strength?
Again, in my sets, zero. But I’ll give it a 3. See below.
Prior to my knowledge of the community, I DID have sex with a girl after saying, “you should come home with me.” I had talked to this girl all evening before saying it. Which makes me think that it could feasibly work to build rapport if you use it during comfort instead of as an opener.
9. Your PUA-AFC level?
I’ll give myself a 2. Since joining the community 6 months ago, I’ve had a bajillion useless number-closes, a few makeouts, and a day 2. Definitely not a PUA, though.
Final note. In regard to “reasons to test,” we are asked:
“what will having the balls to try something like this do to your game?”
To answer this directly, the apocalypse opener wasn’t anything special in this regard. Having never approached a girl before finding the community, the approach itself has always been what takes balls. For me, the words are interchangable–no matter what I say, I’m taking the same step out of my comfort zone. The apocalypse opener is no scarier than an opinion opener. But they’re both still a little scary.
Looked at in another way, though, I will hazard to say that there probably is something useful about trying this opener. The teasing I got from the second set on my appearance was such a jarring self-esteem hit that I think it will, in the long run, make me tougher. It reminded me of my first days trying the stylelife challenge. I was totally clueless and got a lot of negative reactions with my first approaches, but through my mistakes, I learned where the boundaries are. Indeed, from my brief experience with the apocalypse opener, I think I learned something about where the line is, and also where it isn’t. The first set I approached blew me out, but the blowout wasn’t any worse than an opinion-opener blowout.
January 5th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Jstyle, to answer your question.
Plan on a fairly simple date that will end at your place having sex. That is what you offered. That is what she accepted. That is what you expect.
If you don’t have the frame to take her home directly, take her out to an Irish restaurant…McDonald’s…buy a parfait on the way out, and when you get to your place, use it as part of your sexual interaction.
January 5th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Alright, so after a grueling test in DOWNTOWN STL with 3 other guys, EVERY SINGLE ONE of us got blown out. I used it twice on Friday night and then 3 times on SATURDAY NIGHT. Wanted to day-game it Sunday, but I had issues with family and I never left until almost 11pm.
It brought me success only ONCE, but 1 in 5 results weren’t bad. For all the hard work put into routines, lines, bits, gambits, DHV’s, stories, and EVERYTHING else, being able to drop the BOMB and watch/wait for results was pretty cool.
The first time the girl had a boyfriend. The second, the COUGAR had kids my age (did she think I wasn’t 28?). The THIRD, BAM! She said no, but took me to the dance floor, rubbed her CHESTICLES (they were VERY NICE) all over me and we started making out. After a bit of 2 steps forward, 1 step back, we went back to a bit of dancing. I leaned in and bit/nibbled her neck. She then started rubbing my CASH & PRIZES. So I started nibbling on her boobs through her shirt. Then I backed off and went back for her neck. We made out a bit more and then we said we needed to get back to our friends. Number closed and I went to the next BAR. I approached 2 ladies that were both celebrating their B-Days and I isolated each one to drop the bomb. They both said no, but I wasn’t blown out. We talked for a bit and I kino’d like mad, but they just looked at each other not knowing what they should do. I had more fun that night, but I am just reporting the A-O and not the rest of the stuff I did.
1. Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 0:5
2. Does it open successfully? 1 out of 5
3. Do you get a kiss almost instantly? 0 out of 5, but 1 did kiss close shortly after ( 5 minutes or so).
4. How difficult is this routine to master? Successfully master? From 1-5 I would give it a 3 to a 4. It is all about FRAME
5. What level of comfort must be built before you can test? 0-5. It was an OPENER based on surprised attack.
6. Did you get called out on using this routine? 0 out of 5 times.
7. What is the hook point strength of this routine? Huge once it is delivered properly. But since I ran it 5 times, I would say about a 2.
8. Rapport building strength? 2 out of 5. It didn’t kill any of my sets.
9. Your PUA-AFC level? 3 on the 1-5 scale. Working my way up to level 4.
“Sounds pretty simple to me, just as the reason to test is straight forward. Does something this direct work? Will it work for you as well as it does for a coach? Even if it doesn’t work, what will having the balls to try something like this do to your game? Will it be easier on New Year’s Eve or over this weekend? This is what we want to find out!”
I don’t know of any coach that did it, but I am sure it can be done in the right frame. I felt it was all balls. Having friends there the first night was a great push, but I feel like I felt the delivery better when I did it alone. I didn’t do it on NYE but I rocked it over the weekend.
***** under NO CIRCUMSTANCES did I sugar coat this BEAST. It would have only compromised the results of the test to sugar coat it. Neither did SKOOT and ManOfParty. I was there for all of them and could hear the delivery. We were there to drop bombs, but got shot down everytime.* * * * except the 1 time on Saturday night.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:32 am
woooooo, hot damn! I just got back into PHX, AZ from MI, and finally got a chance to get on pickuplabs. I can hardly wait to try this shit out. I’m gonna do it exactly as stated I should. If i get blown out, oh well! I’m just out to test this shit, right? The sex would only be icing on the cake.
So this A.O. reminds me of the movie, “A Beautiful Mind” where Russell Crowe uses the direct opener to chicks in the bar. His colleages laugh at him when he gets slapped but his reasoning is; “[why sweat through the smalltalk when there's only one thing on your mind?]“. This rational was coming from a ‘brillient mind’. It did eventually work for him and he wound up marrying the chick that he took home.
I always thought that his rational was good, but:
1. knew that it was coming from a Hollywood movie
2. never had the juevos to go out and actually try it for myself
Now, I’ve got motive to go out and try this shit. MY rational: If it’s been proven to work for ACTUAL, REAL guys, then it’s worth testing out for myself. I can’t use the “that’s just some Hollywood shit” excuse anymore. Time to man up!
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January 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
new years eve was a wild wild night for me. i was at a bar/club in north dallas. i don’t know how many of you have been to dallas but the city has the most beautiful, down to earth girls i’ve met.
so anyway, i was pretty wasted and i happened to run into a guy wearing a stylelife dogtag. it was hilarious. so all it took was seeing this dude and i became an approach machine. i don’t know what came over me but i must have approached about 25 women before i remembered the apocalypse opener.
i stood up beside the only girl i could see by herself. she was sitting facing the dance floor. so i leaned in and said hi. she could barely lift her head to say hi back. at first i almost backed out because she seemed too drunk to talk to me. but she said ‘hey’ and smiled. i said how are you and she nodded. she was way drunk. i asked her what she was doing later and she just shrugged. ‘wanna come home with me’? i asked. then she laughed a big laugh and told me she wasn’t from dallas and i said neither am i. then i noticed her rings so i transitioned quickly into the ring finger pattern. at one point she sucked on her finger very suggestively so she could pull the ring off and show it to me. i knew it was on when she did that. plus, she was biting her lips the whole time trying to contain herself. it was quite awesome. but i’ll save the rest for a FR or something. needless to say, it worked, probably because i accidentally picked the drunkest girl in the place but whatever. it worked.
1. Ratio for attempts and sex with women you test on? 1:1 (after about 25 ‘regular’ approaches.)
2. Does it open successfully? ha yes.
3. Do you get a kiss almost instantly? no but i’m almost positive i could have made out with her right there in the club. not my thing though.
4. How difficult is this routine to master? Successfully master? the thing that made it easy for me was that i had already been approaching all night so i had zero approach anxiety. otherwise it’s probably pretty difficult to do.
5. What level of comfort must be built before you can test? the comfort comes in directly after the opener but you don’t really need it on the actual approach.
6. Did you get called out on using this routine? nope.
7. What is the hook point strength of this routine? it demonstrates authority and confidence and a carefree attitude.
8. Rapport building strength? almost none, that comes after.
9. Your PUA-AFC level? i don’t know, i feel like i have my first real PUA story. it was my first one night stand too. just ridiculous.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I tried this opener thrice, all in the same night. I was out at a bar with a large group of friends (15-20ish). I find that being out with a large group is a huge DHV. The first attempt was pretty pathetic, I didn’t feel as though I kept it together. Despite my obvious errors in the use of the this line I found that it was successful in displaying a care free or “cool” attitude that the girl clearly responded positively to. The overall interaction lasted 5 minutes and I left with nothing more than the knowledge gained. On my second attempt my delivery was much improved. No instant kiss but once again I could sense the attraction. I played it cool and ended up number/kiss closing her (shes coming to a party at my place this weekend, nothing better than a good social circle). The third attempt was after closing time and my target was one I would have assumed to be the easiest. She was a drunk and rather plain looking girl. Yet surprisingly I got shot down faster than Hollywood in the final scene of “Top Gun”.
1) I’m gonna call it 0:2, Things with the second girl look pretty good.
2) It opens beautifully. Feels a lot more natural than some of the opinion based stuff. I only attempted 1 sets though. I think I’ll stick with some of the more classic stuff for 2+ sets.
3) 0 for 3 instant 1 for 3 long term.
4) Easy to learn and I clearly haven’t mastered it so, more than a few practice attempts and three approaches to master.
5)As far as comfort goes… none. But I was unsuccessful perhaps if my targets had a slight familiarity with me prior to running the routine my fortunes would have changed.
6) Not even close. I think this routine seems pretty natural.
7) The hook point strength was great. I got into set with two of my three targets. Both times I ended the interaction.
8- The routine itself generates very little rapport. More of an attraction engine.
9) AFC…I don’t attach shame to it.
January 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Last night was a fucking amazing night! I feel like I say that alot but this time it REALLY was. There are a bunch of good stories to share but the main story which I need to share with everyone is the A-O story! The opener worked and I f-closed last night! More then anything..the MOST AMAZING thing about the A-O opener was how damn easy it was to use! I honestly didn’t really do anything with the HB and next thing I know, I’m at her house laying on her bed drunk as hell as she is putting a condom on my dick with her mouth.
So here is how it went down:
Its the end of the night and my friends and I are getting ready to leave the lounge and I had to go to the bathroom. I told my wing that if I saw a girl on the way (to the bathroom) then I am going to do the opener:
Mystic- “fuck it bro…I got nothing to lose, I’m drunk as fuck and want some pussy”
Wing – “Hahaha you crazy doggy…do what you gotta do”
On the way to the bathroom I kinda forget about the A-O (I’m drunk as hell) and can only focus getting my piss outa my system. I take my piss, wash my hands and then I come back to my senses and remember about the opener. As I exit the bathroom I am on the lookout for a girl to use it on. I didn’t care who it was, just ANY girl who was alone was going to be my victim =)
I’m walking by the bar and I spot a HB7 (great titties and slim waist) standing there drinking a water. I could tell she was waiting for someone so I looked around before approaching and saw another HB9 on the phone arguing next to her. I instantly walk up to the HB7 and say the lines which I have been reading for the past week:
Mystic: Hey, How’s it going?
HB: Good, just wanna leave!
Mystic: Wanna come home with me tonight?
HB: Whoa…someone is sure straight forward. Sorry I don’t go home with guys I don’t know but if you’re lucky, I’ll take you home with me (smile…it was honestly the cutest smile I ever seen)
Mystic: And you’re not straight forward! Comeon girl, you know I don’t need luck (smiling). What are you waiting here for anyway?
HB: Uhhhh my gf is in a huge fight with her bf and he wants to come here, pick her up and talk to her and she’s telling him that she’s going to have me drop her home..ahhh..I dunno!!”
Mystic: Well they are closing up any minute now and if you wait any longer then someone else is going to steal me (smile) and I would hate to see that happen so why don’t you tell your friend that we’ll be waiting in your car for her.
HB: okay okay your right…let me talk to her
She goes and talks to her friend and her friend decides to finally leave the lounge and walks with HB and I back to her car. By the way…while all this is happening, my wing sees this and cant believe it. He texts me “you a-go” and I respond “Yup…just keep your phone on you” and he relies “You motherfucker…I can’t believe it! How the fuck do you always pull this shit off..you are a fucking hoe!” LOL. So HB and I are walking to the car, we are in front while her friend is a few feet behind arguing with her boyfriend.
At this point HB and I go sit in her car (she’s in the driver seat and I’m in shotgun) while her friend is outside sitting on the hood still talking to her man. This actually turned out good because it gave HB and I a chance to talk. She said “thank you for being here…my friend is a mess right now and I didn’t wanna deal with her tonight anymore!”….we talk, I was drunk so I don’t really remember the details but then HB’s friend comes and says that her boyfriend is on his way and he’ll be there in 10 minutes. She sits in the back seat and there is this awkward silence after the introductions. HB and her friend are talking about the situation and her friend says that she’ll be okay. Finally the Boyfriend comes and picks his gf up and then I know its on like Donkey Kong.
HB: “okay well since I made you stay with me and all your friends left…I guess I am taking you home with me tonight” (smile)
Mystic: “Well duh! I hope you weren’t planning on leaving me on the streets like a poor cold puppy!” (sad puppy dog face)
HB: “aww I would never do such a cruel thing to such a cutie like you”
We drive back to her house and on the drive I start kissing on her neck and nippling on her ear. She is telling me “omg, you are turning me on so much…I needa get home and take off all your clothes” I tell her “you don’t know what the fuck you are in for…I am about to fuck you silly tonight”….I start rubbing up against her pussy while she is driving and put my hands under her top and start feeling up on her hard nipples.
Fuck I wish I timed the drive home but it was about 15-20 minutes maybe. She parks in her driveway and when we get outa the car, she takes my hand and leads me directly to the front door. She opens the door, leads me upstairs straight to the bedroom, pushes me on the bed, gets on top of me and starts making out with me. I turn her over and get on top of her and start sucking on her neck, take off her top, she takes mine off. I start sucking on her beautiful titties while she struggles to take my belt off. I get up and take my pants off as well as hers and then I go down on her. She is LOVING it and she organisms hard. She then puts us in a 69 position and she starts sucking me off while I eat her out. From there she asks me if i had a condom and I said i did in my pocket. She reaches for the pants (on the ground), finds the condom and puts it on with her mouth as we are 69-ing. Then she gets on top of me and starts riding me like crazy. I will be honest…I was horny as fuck and she was turning me on so I nutted after about 3-4 minutes =)
We lay and relax for a bit and then we go at it again. This time we def. go at it for a lot longer and get into a bunch of positions…I am loving it because I am a tittie guy and she had a great rack on her. I can’t nutt this time (I think I was just too drunk) but she orgasms a couple more times; We’d been going at it for a while (atleast it seemed so) and I’m tired as fuck now so we eventually stop and then right away outa no where she starts jacking me off with her huge titties all over my dick/balls. She is fucking going at it like crazy and says “I want you to cum all over my titties”…I nutt all over her titties =)
It’s about 4ish by now and I tell her “I can have my friend pick me up…I know he’ll be up” (I didn’t want to make her feel weird with me sleeping over) and she says “no no, its okay…I’m wide awake actually, I dont mind dropping you home” so I accept the offer and she drives me home.
The drive home was cool, there wasn’t any tension and she said she wasn’t excepting the night to turn out as wild as it did.
HB: “I respect you for being straight up and asking if I wanted to come home with you instead of playing all those stupid games guys play at bars/clubs”
Mystic: “Well when I saw you, something about you attracted me to you and I did not care about anything…I only wanted you and did not want to lose that opportunity so I asked if you’d come home with me” LOL…I dunno if that is the right response but fuck it =)
HB: “I hope you don’t think I’m a hoe or slut”
Mystic: “NO WAY…everyone has their needs, we are just very open people who wanted to have a good time…nothing wrong with that!” (smile)
HB: “Okay cool..I like you!” (huge smile)
She drops me to my driveway, we exchange numbers and good night kisses and I head into my room. What a crazy fucking night! For anyone who doubts the A-O, hopefully this Field Report can prove you wrong =) Def. try it when the opportunity comes around….you never know what can happen! Until Next Time…
Mystic
January 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
I loved that oppener!!!
I’m posting right now because I spend 1 month in a surf trip so I had to abadon this site by that moment, anyway, I read about this oppener and tryed twice.
Must say that I’m totally into indirect so I changed this into a indirect and worked both times and must say that I used only in tourist girls.
First was yesterday night:
ALUCARD: Hey , how are you doing?
HB:Fine
ALUCARD: cool, what are you going to do later?
HB: rejoin my friends
ALUCARD: do you wanna come to my house?
HB: no
ALUCARD: so, since I came back here is raining every fucking day this must be worst for you since you are a tourist.
HB: yep
continued the interaction in indirect as I do when open with jealous girlfriend.
result: Kiss Close
Second was about 2 hours:
ALUCARD: you should buy me a drink
HB: (wtf face)
ALUCARD: how are you doing?
HB: I’m cool, how about you?
ALUCARD: I’m loving to be here, I don’t came here for about a month. What are you gonna do later?
HB:nothing
ALUCARD: Do you wanna come to my house?
HB: where is your house?
ALUCARD: copacabana
(I don’t remember what was but she danced a little salsa and we told about australia, since she is from there, after this I came back to my friends cuz’ she took a drink to a guy she was with and the stupid here thought he was her BF)
(when I was quitting the place I found her and her female friend at the sidewalk, I high five both of them and danced a little “forró” with her, talked a little with her friend and the another two guys from the hostel and at the and she asked me to not go to see my mom and to go to the beach and to go out with her, but I don’t saw my mom since new year’s eve so I did a e-mail close and we are going to meet up again at a boat party this thursday)
So I think this oppener is good for the ones like me that don’t like to open single-sets but I must try in brazilian girls as well.
February 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Great post… Loved you blog! bookmarked
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
This opener works on the following :
1. Single women between 25 and 40. (you do not want to scare lone teenage girls , this works best with women that have been socialized)
2. The women above must not be with friends , always perform on lone targets. (best in a place where you can keep your voice down in order to understand you)
3. Do not sugar coat it , just put it to her face with a warm playful grin while acting confident.
4. After you deliver it , act confident.
5. After delivering the line just let her make the next move.
March 10th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Holy shit. I’m only an AFC barely a month into the game, and still working on getting over my AA, so no way do I have the guts, or inner game, or frame control to pull this shit off. But god damn. It’s definitely now my goal to reach. If I can pull it off – successfully or no – within the next two or three months, I’ll be fucking proud of myself.
August 11th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Classic tales! LITTLE RED riding HOOD